Would Tyson be remembered as an all time great if he retired before he fought Buster Douglass?

Certainly NOT. That would be like ALI retiring without fighting Norton, Forman or Frazier because he fought Sonny Liston. Ali was past his prime when he met each of them DURING their primes and he still boasts a better Win-Loss record against them.





Tyson would have to fight the best of his generation. If he retires before Douglas, who do you have? Spinks? True, Tyson did beat some useful heavyweights but there were still some he avoided. He never fought Tim Witherspoon, who was still useful at that time. He also CLEARLY avoided Oliver McCall. I saw them spar live and I can see why Team Tyson politely asked Olive to leave.





The Top 4 heavyweights of the era are Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson and Bowe. Lewis and Holyfield answered the call of combat. Bowe missed 2 out of three, running from Lennox and never having the chance to fight Tyson. Tyson is 0-3 against Lennox and Holyfield.





Had he never fought these fighters, he MIGHT be viewed in a brighter light. However, unless Holyfield and Lewis are somehow NOT around, I can't see giving Tyson much credit in comparison to the other greats.





If Liston and Patterson had come a few years earlier, I'm sure Rocky Marciano would have faced them. Some have accused him of ducking Liston, who was closer to Rocky's age than reported, but Rocky can't be blamed for that. He would have had to wait around another 3 years at least, to fight Sonny. With his management problems one can't blame him for getting out.





Wanna call Tyson great? You have to exclude Lewis and Holyfield from history. Unless you have a time machine, that's not possible to do.





Tyson is good. He's even in the Top 12 if you consider IN THE RING greatness. But he's NOT in the upper echelon.




Thumbs up to Norman Bates, quality of competition & longlivity play significant roles in a historical legacy. The answer to your question is "no". Mike would no more be remembered as an all time great than Ike Ibeabuchi will be remembered as an all time great. Ike had a great start to his professional career, but circumstances ended it prematurely. Some consider Ike an extremely talented and hard punching heavyweight, but few would consider him an "all time great".





The same would have held true for Mike Tyson had Tyson's career ended before he faced a top contender. As it stands, both Mike and Ike were plenty good (pun intended), but neither will ever be considered "Great" in the classic sense. The both had the talent to dominate their era's but failed to do so against the elite of the day. Historical greatness takes into account the manner in which a champion conducts himself outside the ring as well as who and how he fought in the ring, and with all due respect, there is a great deal of negative controversy that tarnished both fighters legacy's. Tyson retiring unbeaten prior to Douglas wouldn't have changed much by way of how Mike will be remembered.




To be considered an All-Time great you have display longevity. One thing people forget about Mike Tyson is that his prime was only about 3 years. Anywhere from 87 to 90 defending his title about 9 times.





IF he retired before the Douglas fight that means no show down with Lewis or Holyfield. Even though Mike lost those fights he still gets credit for taking those risks. IF he retired without fighting either one of those guys NO he wouldn't be considered great. I don't really consider Mike great now. He was a good fighter in his prime but not Great because didn't have longevity that some of Boxings great champs have.




Tyson went to jail, at about the time of the most competitive points in heavyweight history...only paralleled by the fights in the 1970s.





Now before anyone goes nuts and disputes that, keep in mind I am not talking about skill levels. I am talking about the belt being passed around from hand to hand because of the LEVEL of competition. Think of the boxers that Mike missed out on..and likely would have never fought, during this highly competitive period.





Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, Michael Moorer, Tommy Morrison (Yeah I know but he was there), Razor Ruddock, George Foreman, John Ruiz (yeah I know again, he was there). Like it or not...the 1990s were the last hot craze the heavyweights ever knew. This is only a few of the names that were there, not including some of the just out and out wild names that jumped into the heavyweight division thta made it great and fun to watch.





And Tyson spent the entire era that he should have been champ, in a jail cell.





Had he fought and beaten all of these people, he would have been a name to put in the hall of fame ABOVE ALL OTHERS....the loss to Buster Douglas would have been overlooked.





But he wasnt even there. Almost every name mentioned...almost...are going to be hall of famers.





And because he would have no part of them, or lost to his stiffest competition, he wont. He was a flash in the pan that when truly was tested, folded. He never rose to his challenges.




"I must add my viewpoint regarding Mike Tyson's greatness......for those who regard him as such... Whether it be his greatness, infamy or any other description that he may be labelled with, Mike remains to be the youngest fighter ever to win a World Heavyweight Championship!!..


His speed and power as a shorter heavy-weight during his era, is what made him a phenom, regardless of who he did and didn't fight. And while I was never one of his biggest fans, like me..you gotta give credit when credit is due..You can't fault him for never fighting the best during his era..We all show up on this planet when we do and just go from there... Just a reminder to those of you who continue question all the dream fights that will never materialize like those of "Roy Jones".. or Osac De La Hoya...(after his/their respective primes)...


So in conclusion, while Mike Tyson may never reach "All Time Greatness" in the minds of many including myself .....he will still be remembered for a long time to come.. That's why people still compare and talk about him today.




Lets look at it this way before Cus died Mike Tyson was a great fighter and before he went to jail he was a great fighter the youngest heavey weight champion in the history of the sport. Mike Tyson will always be rememberedas a great fighter




No, because he NEVER did beat a top prime heavyweight. You don't become an all-timer by beating up cab drivers and interior decorators.




Absolutely Yes.. He will still be remembered as one of the all time great. IMO nobody has ever dominated the ring like Tyson in his prime.




i think yes because he is the youngest heavyweight champion and the first to unify the major titles in heavyweight division

How to set up punches to the body?

Before in a sparring match with a friend, when I try to jab or right straight to the body I get countered easily with a hook to the head or a straight right to my head. How should I set up body shots? Faint to the head?



you can jab at the head and move in as you punch then go to the body. btw you are only gonna learn how to do this and the other aspects of boxing if you get a boxing trainer. so go to a boxing gym and sign up if you wanna learn




You have to distract the opponent by attacking his face/head, thus making him cover it (and if untrained, probably cover his eyes and go off balance), then the body is all yours. You can even rotate. Head, body, head, body, and so on. Tyson had the best combination ever for this kind of thing. Jab to head, (switch to southpaw), right hook to body, right hook to head/right uppercut, (switch back to orthodox), left hook to head.




yea its easier to hook the body..but step into the jab and get low if your gonna jab or straight the body bro




jabs to the head. or even jab cross then body shot

Vitali tsypko vs. librado andrade. predictions?

co main event for bradley - holt. i want tsypko to win but i have feeling, of andrade to win on ud



don't you hate it when nobody answers a question you asked?

Tyson v Ali who would win?

Would Tyson in his prime have beaten Ali in his prime?



A prime Tyson would probably demolish Ali, if he managed to get inside of Ali's jab and cheap bouncing act. Ali was very over-rated, and any boxing historian with a brain in their head would admit that. All he was good at as running around in circles around his opponents and using his supreme reach to jab/push them away, which is rather cheap and unexciting (as it takes no real skill to run away from someone in the ring and push them away with the reach you were born with, while in addition getting away with it being called exciting). If a prime Tyson got inside of Ali's cheap and boring run-and-jab "defenses", he'd KO him in a maximum of probably three seconds. It would probably be really easy for Tyson to do this, as his style revolved entirely around fighting taller opponents.





In addition to that, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick defeated Muhammad Ali, and Mike Tyson mopped the floor with both Holmes and Berbick in his career, but to be fair, the argument could be made that Muhammad Ali was not in his prime, and Berbick and Holmes (being taller and different than Tyson) certainly used a different style and method of fighting against Ali than Tyson would have, which would add to technical complications. It certainly wouldn't be a very entertaining or exciting fight to watch, because all Ali would do is cheaply bounce around the ring, pushing Tyson away from him for as long as he could while not giving fans any action, but if Tyson got inside he would kill Ali.




There are a lot of people who wonder this. In my opinion Ali would have KO'd Tyson. Ali could have withstood Tysons power punches and I belive he would have won in the later rounds. Wish we could have seen it.




Tyson never had a prime. He lost every single time he fought a prime top heavyweight.




Ali took George Foremans punches and in my opinion George hits harder than tyson. So i would go with Ali on points or by late stoppage.




Ali




Not another of these questions.....




tyson by knock out

Apart from ricky hatton?

apart from ricky hatton , who are the next best 3 light-welterweights in uk and ireland .



1. junior witter


2. ricky hattons nan


3. ricky hattons dog




junior witter (former wbc champion)


ajose olusegun (commomwealth champ, and former african boxing union champion)


gavin rees (former wba champion, but hasn't fought in a year since losing the title)




Junior Witter


Bradley Saunders


Dean Byrne

Has there ever been a father son boxing match?

In boxing history has there ever been a father verses son boxing match, or a brother against brother, cousin against cousin? If so, name it please.



if u believe what dude just said above then i got a bridge in brooklyn i wanna sell u. and i got oceanview property in Idaho i wanna sell u too! wheres ur proof lmao. come on man thats trash! and somebody gave him a thumbs up?




theres been several UN-SANCTIONED bouts.... zab judah vs his father yoel. de la hoya vs. his father joel. floyd jr. vs floyd sr.




No.but it would be good if the klitckos fought each other.

Who

My favorite all time boxer was Marvelous Marvin Hagler! Who is yours?



sugar ray robinson





bar none. the best p4p




I am a huge fan of muhammad ali and marvin hagler those guys could really put up a show in the ring but my favorite would have to be tyson. I know some people think he is overrated and some greatly underrate him but no one can say that his fights were not exciting. there was always that anticipation for a knock out and his aggressive style always kept you on the edge of your sit, with mike you KNEW that there would never be a boring fight, i think his style was a huge reason why boxing was popular back then and i think the heavyweight division today could use that kind of fighter.




jimmy thunder!!! had a title shot took a tuneup fight and faceplanted the canvas.cruiserweight got him.never seen him again, but man he event took the kc boy in like 11 secs of the first round. that guy beat mike tyson.he said im coming out with all i got, and he did only jimmy thunder returned with i wasnna say right and the kiss goodnight, wow!




Julio Cesar Chavez by far





other faves: juan manuel marquez, floyd mayweather and juan manuel lopez... antonio margarito was on my list until he got caught cheating >:(




tyson. gatti. emanuel agustus (burton). johnny tapia. micky ward. and a little known club fighter outta philly named rogers mtagwa.




I have a few julio cesar chavez, erik morales, and mike tyson




Ali.





Honorable mention: Mike Tyson and Roberto Duran




dannyboy is my favorite boxer of all time




Julio Cesar Chavez and Juan Manuel Marquez and Salvador sanchez




i really dont have a favorite boxer but my math teacher is westler




I like rocky marciano and muhammad ali...and mike tyson.




haglar




i liked Rocky Marciano he was a great fighter




oscra de la olla and miguel cotto!!!!




i like watching some old henry armstrong stuff